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From: Bob Rohrer
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 11:46 AM
To: fstolz
Cc: Col Wayne Morris USMC (Ret); Allen Ferguson
Subject: Re: FW: Arizona's immigration law too tough? Not if you live there.

Major,

Terrific essay! You should post it to your Forum as well!

The fact that 70% of those polled in AZ approve of the new law says to me that Ferg is exactly right -- a high percentage of educated Mexicans don't want to deal with these types any more than we do!

Time for a rule of law in America! And if we don't have the will to do away with these criminals here, the time may well be coming again for a remote Penal Colony. Our Liberal bleeding hearts could even go there and do volunteer work!

I do not say this in jest! A crisis is in our future and we better start thinking how we are going to deal with it.

Semper Fidelis
Bob Rohrer

On 4/24/2010 11:30 PM, Frank Stolz wrote:
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From: G. Alan Ferguson

Subject: Re: Arizona's immigration law too tough? Not if you live there.

Major,

I would like to post your comments to my BP discussion list, without your address. I will add a plug for your site and book with my accompanying note.

One added note, and anyone who is familiar with Mexican life & culture knows this, but as a nationality, they have zero respect for laws-it isn't illegal unless they get caught, and then they expect mordida will remedy the arrest. It is nearly impossible to police people of this demeanor and nature, excerpt by brute force-it is all they understand. As you say, I am (soon to be was) married to a Mexican for 28 years. The educated Mexicans who are honest will recognize the truth of what I mention here; my wife has said it many times.

S/F,

Ferg


On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 18:23,
Frank Stolz wrote:

I for one support the new law all the way. The left is saying that every Latino or part Latino, is going to have birth certificates, immigration papers, etc, on their person at all times. That is if they happen to look Latino, or Hispanic, or Mexican, or whatever the proper term is today. The truth is this, in my humble opinion:

1. Many illegal's can be found in street corners looking for work, and only the brain dead or perhaps the Bleeding Heart "Open Border" Proponents, or the La Raza Groups, or Liberals seeking more voters, are the only ones who unable to see the obvious on street corners and shopping Malls throughout our nation. But this is more evident within the border and near border states, and not necessarily amongst the people living in states far removed from the border regions. If the more passive illegal people are sent back home, then there are less illegal's to contend with, and that should help our local and state governments as far as medical, school, welfare, and the costs of the incarceration of the criminal elements go. Once these are illegal's rounded up and sent home, there will be less to handle and particularly if the border law enforcement is implemented as it should be.

2. We now have thousands of illegal's in our various jails and prisons, and more are rotated in and out of these institutions each day almost like a revolving door. Those whose main or perhaps only offenses were minor drug infractions or petty theft, can be safely shipped back to Mexico or points south, and then the other countries authorities can determine what is to be done with them. The cost of incarcerating them and other American criminals in the USA is a several Billion dollar industry in California alone, and so one could only imagine the true costs to our taxpayers across the nation. Therefore, many saving can be found here by removing the illegal petty criminals or drug abusers from our prisons and jails, and meantime concentrating on hammering those guilty of violence or harming or threatening others of our citizens .

3. It is not only the drug cartels that have expanded in our nation, it is also the gangs of various stripes that have also infiltrated into our society, and many of those gangs and drug cartel heads require killing a person in order to gain entry into their cartels or clubs. That is done for two reasons, and the first is to insure that no law enforcement personnel are able to infiltrate the higher echelons of the drug cartels or gangs, and also so that cartel or gang members caught by law enforcement cannot reveal the names and locations of their fellow gang or cartel associates. As otherwise, the initiation killing will be revealed to law enforcement and the individual testifying against their own associates, will find himself or herself in the very same rat trap as the others and that is being charged for the murder or murders of others committed in the past.

People belonging to these gangs should be shown no mercy and they should be taken out permanently by the police, at least in my opinion. I know this is an un- Christian and unpopular suggestion, but these people are killers and there is no other sensible way to rid of them and still protect the general public, other than with a permanent solution and that includes white motorcycle meth gangs, as well as the Bloods, Crypts, and others of that ilk. It would not surprise me to find that hanging from trees becomes the method of choice as it once was in the future, as the methods now used do not seem to deter these kind of uncaring and fearless gang and cartel associates. That is, other than with those of their own kind. Rico Laws that take everything that these criminals own should become the norm of the day with gangs and cartel associates and members in either one, and the law should add an additional 10 years to any sentence imposed on known gang or cartel members and without opportunities for parole. It may not stop all their behaviors, but it will sure give many food for thought before engaging in violent criminal behavior. In the USA it is estimated that there are over 2 million cocaine users alone, and so we can just imagine how many other illegal drugs are being used throughout our nation, and so that is a national problem (not issue) and one that has been given lip service at best, since at least one way to eliminate much of it is provided above and most American citizens well know that.

The problem with most of the criminal elements are that they really don't care if they go to jail or prison, other than it inhibits them from doing what they want to do each day. But it also gives them status amongst their own kind for having been incarcerated, and so there is no stigma or shame that so many Americans believe would or should accompany such individuals. After all, they are not going to join the military, or police, or government agencies or needing secret security clearances when they are released from jails or prisons. And so, having a record is seen as a plus for many of these people rather than as a blot on their person or that of some of their families. And that is why so many don't really care if they are jailed or imprisoned, and why so many now commit crimes almost with impunity and with little care as to the consequences.

4. The American public is not against Latinos, or Africans, or Middle Easterners, or Asians, or Europeans entering our country and becoming bona- fide American citizens. What most Americans object to is the unchecked migration of millions upon millions of people entering our borders, and without any control over who they are or might be. Since it is now left unchecked for the most part, this allows for complete changes in demographics and job opportunities in various locations or regions when too many of any one group show up en mass, and basically start taking over entire neighborhoods or sections of cities, towns, or communities. This then raises the ire of many, as to some they are a threat to their jobs and way of life, while others view it as a migration specifically intended to change the political, cultural, and possibly religious norms of a community or neighborhood, and so resistance to this ever expanding migration is bound to cause resentment, if not outright open opposition.

To Liberals, this is called bias (preference, or influencing someone or something unfairly) and prejudice ( irrationality towards pre-judgment, or intolerance or discrimination) as though every one in the world is not biased or prejudiced. Bigotry, of course is viewed as defined by the previous definitions, as well as with some that includes outright hatred or intolerance of certain races, religious groups, or cultures, etc, and is considered by many as a harder core view of the above. Everybody has their own biases and prejudices, although most like to pretend that they do not. But everyone finds people who are too tall or too short, or too mentally slow or too fast, or too loud or quiet, or too rich or poor, or too pretentious or not pretentious enough, or too cute or too ugly, or too fat or skinny, or too religious or not religious enough, or too steeped in their ideology or not steeped enough, to be people that some do not care for or like, or even want to have around (like skinheads or Radical Religious Ranters), and in many cases they have never met or even spoken to the people they so judged. While we like to pretend that isn't so with us, we are only fooling ourselves and we do so because of not wanting to become so labeled by anyone having a differing opinion and that might view us or label us as being biased, prejudiced, or bigoted. That is a part of the human experience, and to pretend it is not is to be at best unrealistic, just as most Liberals tend to be.

5. Americans do not mind a few families of other nations or cultures or races moving into their cities, towns, and neighborhoods. What they object to is when thousands show up and then demand housing, jobs, food stamps, welfare checks, free medical care, etc, and especially when the rest of the community or neighborhood is working and paying taxes to keep up with their own way or style of living. To expect everyone like those in Milwaukee, to have 15,000 Somali Muslims descend on their city is bound to create that which many call bias, or prejudice, or outright bigotry. But then again, we might ask ourselves who within our State Department was stupid enough to move large numbers of Somali's from a very hot African nation and then plop them in the midst of a cold weather city, or any American city for that matter? Many of these Somali's with completely different cultures, have not tried to assimilate with our own American culture. Instead they have pretty much taken over the taxicab business and followed their own pretty much separated religion, and now refuse to take passengers smelling of alcohol or carrying bottles of alcoholic beverages! They also demanded foot baths in Men's restrooms at the main airport for the religious cleansing purposes, and got them! In NYC, Muslim cab drivers leave their cars double parked on the streets thus blocking traffic and in order to attend their 5 prayer services, and of course the very loud Mosque prayer calls heard for block around annoy all non Muslims, yet little can be done without appearing to be prejudiced, or biased, or bigoted against the religion of Islam. In the case of Mexicans, or Latinos/Hispanics, most Americans are not being unkind or hateful for wanting border controls. Instead they are simply trying to maintain some semblance of law and order, as well as trying to keep the criminal and welfare seeking recipients out. It is not a matter of having no heart, rather it is a matter of eventually having no country as we know it if control of the borders remains a joke, and in reality it is a safety and security item as much as it is an economic and welfare item. We simply cannot feed and care for the worlds masses seeking a better life, however much many might be predisposed to do so.

6. I might add that many of our law enforcement members are Latinos /Hispanics/ or of Mexican descent, and many have served in our armed forces in all wars and as a group received some of the highest numbers of military medals that this nation has to award. Furthermore, many law enforcement officers ranging from Border Patrol to Highway Patrol , and from city to county police, are married to Hispanic/Latino/ Mexican women, or women LEO's to men. And so the oft times cries of bias and prejudice against illegal's so often times directed at our law enforcement officers, is frequently without merit since many are in fact Latinos/Hispanics or part, or else married to those of that ethnicity and various cultures. In fact, many Americans have Latino or Hispanic or Indian blood including yours truly, and so we are hardly prejudiced or biased or bigoted against our own kinfolks. But we also know we cannot continue to absorb millions upon millions of people without any means of control, or else our nation and all of our people regardless of ethnicity with lose what we now have, and which many worked so very long and so hard to attain. We all can be kind and have a heart, without being stupid and suicidal.

R/S-
-Stolz Sends-
www.WMDTERROR.com
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From: Dave Hollenbeck
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 1:20 PM
To: undisclosed recipients:
Subject: Arizona's immigration law too tough? Not if you live there.

Rick Moran
You can dress your opposition to the new Arizona immigration law up any way you want to, but if you're so all fired concerned about it, I suggest you move to the border towns that are under virtual siege by drug gangs and do your protesting there. The number of kidnappings and murders related to illegal crossings of the border have skyrocketed and the feds seem powerless to stop it.

It is a tough law for tough times, and under ordinary circumstances, would be seen as "draconian." But given the fact that it is impossible to delineate where the US border ends and where Mexico's begins in many places in that state, the right of sovereignty should rule.

Even the New York Times admits that the law basically calls for enforcement of existing statutes:

While police demands of documents are common on subways, highways and in public places in some countries, including France, Arizona is the first state to demand that immigrants meet federal requirements to carry identity documents legitimizing their presence on American soil.
Ms. Brewer acknowledged critics' concerns, saying she would work to ensure that the police have proper training to carry out the law. But she sided with arguments by the law's sponsors that it provides an indispensable tool for the police in a border state that is a leading magnet of illegal immigration. She said racial profiling would not be tolerated, adding, "We have to trust our law enforcement."

Ms. Brewer and other elected leaders have come under intense political pressure here, made worse by the killing of a rancher in southern Arizona by a suspected smuggler a couple of weeks before the State Legislature voted on the bill. His death was invoked Thursday by Ms. Brewer herself, as she announced a plan urging the federal government to post National Guard troops at the border.

It requires police officers, "when practicable," to detain people they reasonably suspect are in the country without authorization and to verify their status with federal officials, unless doing so would hinder an investigation or emergency medical treatment.
It also makes it a state crime - a misdemeanor - to not carry immigration papers. In addition, it allows people to sue local government or agencies if they believe federal or state immigration law is not being enforced.


President Obama is going to use this common sense law to push his version of immigration reform that won't do anything to stop the flood of illegals from crossing the border and will probably act as a catalyst for increased illegal immigration.

But it is interesting to note that a state law that only asks that existing law be enforced and followed is so violently opposed by the open borders crowd. Once again we have the spectacle of people demanding that the law of the land not be enforced, that we shouldn't be serious about illegal immigration.

Arizonians took care of that notion.
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Major Frank Stolz, USMC (Ret)